Case 3 – Chengdu Owners’ Committee Vs Management C...
M: It is you several people, as you who are in this management,logistics management, who serve major function in the neighborhood, if you don’t unify your opinions, this meeting cannot go on, there is no way to hold this meeting.Now, it seems that the focal point of the conflict lies in you several people.I thought carefully about you several people, and I feel that there is no acute conflict in you several people, no acute conflict.In fact, a common goal of you is one.It is to make the neighborhood good together.Your owners’ committee is what you have been thriving for several years, this long period of time, to achieve.Now, I should say, this owners’ committee, have come into shape.Your neighborhood, within this one year, not even one year,I should say that you have done a lot of things for the people.It brings changes.Of course, the people in your neighborhood have felt that way.(In order to) continue solidifying, and enlarging this result, I should say, making this result better, now you should make joint effort, make joint effort, unify your heart and strength, and make it good together.( ) or you believe what teacher Tan has said, Today, I have actually made explanation, ( )I have not got the reason from listening.In fact, it is, (Let me) first say for you.As you, first, you don’t have any experience, doing this job needs adapting to each other,that is, in the beginning of any work, there is a period of time for adaptation.In fact, you are in this adaptation period, that is, you need to adapt to each other.You should express your opinions fully among yourselves.After you express your opinions fully, based on these opinions,you can carry out discussion.In fact, I think if there is debate about a problem.In fact, it is a good phenomenon.You argue, it means that everybody has opinion, and good opinions should be brought out and expressed.Argue once,argue twice and argue three times, then (it is) converged.His true purpose is to say, I think, “tired of talking to you,don’t want to talk to you, and have not thought of converging (our opinions).”Then, you say yours, I say mine.Not talking in front of you, but talking behind you.Also,of course, I should say, people, everybody has good wishes,but sometimes, good wishes cannot lead to good result.This, of course, is a good phenomenon, do you agree? (This is a fact) also, within yourselves, your decision, first,should be converging opinions.Then, after we finish our discussion on the decision we can go to next stage.Now,the conflict has been unlimitedly enlarged.Solving the conflict should not be so complicated.It was made complicated.This probably is because everybody has hot temper.Another reason is that concept.Since it has not reached an agreement, for example, the director or the assistant director ( ) is willing to reach some kind of agreement on the management decision.After reaching the agreement, make committee members sit together,and everybody votes.What should be done is to be done.After voting, it is easier to convince people of lower position.That is, that is, agreement has not been reached.Also, at the meeting of representatives several days ago,probably, it is not reached either.A lot of things, probably it is that the opinions have not reached to an agreement.Opinions have not been converged to be considered, so probably it has caused some debate.Also, I think that I think that there should not be any conflict between teacher Zhang and teacher Duan.You have been working hard for this owners’ committee, making effort and seeking help, so you should not have any conflict.You should be more… In the first place, you two should converge (your opinions).After you converge opinions,then talk to Rong Kuan, for example, if Rong Kuan have any opinions on the management, or you have not done that, then you ask director Zhang to talk to director Duan,after that, ask for their opinions.“What I propose.”If they discuss about this issue and then feel it is necessary,then after joining the discussion, making a decision.Then this is the process that is needed.I think your whole problem is caused by a major mistake in method when dealing with and thinking about problems.Talking about conflict, I still don’t think there is any problems with acute conflict.All are, actually the hostility is all for the sake of the goodness of the neighborhood.Of course, as teacher Wu, since it is the people’s issue, when paying attention to these issue, you need to form the habit of reporting.“Who do I need to talk to? I must tell who and who?”Right? For example, now, previously, I tell you,what they represent is not a complete democratic committee.Then, you see, ( )then you have not handed over, or not completely , but the more heated the conflict is, the less dare (the committee) will be on the right track.( ) ( ) so it is easy to have conflict ( )everybody needs to be clear what should be done is to be done.At that time, teacher Zhang was visiting his relatives , so delayed (the process).( ) but people’s issue, just like us only you are smaller range and we are bigger range, all aspects of the issue cannot be converged absolutely.Whose opinions can be absolutely converged,who can absolutely…this conclusion is very hard to draw.If majority of the people agree but it is not reasonable or legal , then even if majority of the people agree, then there will still be problem.Then, now we are mostly aiming at the administration Now it is, now I think you probably have problem ( ) Many things, teacher Wu, you need to tell them, need to tell, ok? You say you need to discuss, how you should solve it.From our perspective,it is firstly stability, stabilizing the people.From your perspective, generally for your neighborhood, there has been some reform.This is fact.There should be some achievement and effect.There should not be any problem if you all put your heart and strength in one place.Now,the problem has appeared.I heard that there isn’t any acute conflict among you.It is probably on the method.Subjectively, everybody wants to do a good job for the neighborhood.Methodologically, of course, I think (the problem) is in this aspect.Therefore, now as for this situation, nobody indeed can be taken away, because you are elected by voting, and you were willing to be elected.Which one wants to continue it or not, which one (wants to)do something, it is right.As for us, us community, firstly,you are what is like now.As for the previous time, you, as the director, should discuss with teacher Duan, this assistant director.GuangWu, as one in the management team, your opinions need to be converged, need to be discussed first.After they are converged, pass it to the below.Look what (a mess) you have turned into.This one blames that one, that one blames this one.You have killed your original fruit you achieved.In this kind of situation,the people will have doubts, “then what did we elect you for? For your quarrels? For your unresolved problems?”
Therefore, you are invited today to sit here, that is,everybody go through a procedure, what procedure? It is( ) This lady, she is studying the method of Communication, in the aspect of mediation.Our lawyer is also here today, being consulted about the family conflict caused by divorce.Therefore, we hold this illustration today for everybody.You all express your view fully today,that is, in this environment, individual express their view fully, that is the biggest barrier you feel, for example,“what problem is my biggest barrier?”Please air your view,air your view in front of the people.For example, if you feel there is some big problem, big problem occurring,some incorrect view, then bring these thoughts to this environment.Previous extreme behavior needs not be said,for example, I know this face-to-face unpleasant(situation) occurred among you.Of course, in that kind of situation, there are moments (when people are) not so calm, and (people) go back and say emotional things, or say extreme things.These things probably have happened,and these things are all understandable.This is because all these problems show one thing.They have already occurred.If we still don’t hold mediation, still not think rationally, then how can you carry on your work? It would be better using the old way.Just use the old way in your work.It would not be like now.In the end, we have an organization but everybody returns to where they used to be.It is no good.I think it is that you sit here today.Everybody is invited to sit here to talk.This problem, is to be solved in the end, and it is not easy.
D1: Ok, director Liu, let me say something.
M: Ah, you go ahead.
D1: From my perspective, I now ( ) I was planning to pay.Why? I am not completely coming from my own opinions.My offspring, there are two or three of them, have always been telling me, “At your age, don’t involve with so many things.It is complicated within this.Some things cannot be handled by you.If you still involve yourself, (let’s) stop our contact.”This time ( ) despite that I was not here, I feel that I should still be a good guard in my post.I think our neighborhood , now I ( ) now the problem is mainly one, ( ) If you two can have calm and hearty communication, I think the problem will be solved.Before talking about this problem, I want to say my view.I feel( ) we kind are very enthusiastic No matter it is old Wu,or ( ), all are enthusiastic.In this respect, everybody have done a lot of work.Why? It is because, (everybody)wants to do a make a good neighborhood.It is to strengthen the management of and leadership of the neighborhood.Thus to establish a civilized and democratic neighborhood.This goal is common for everybody.Now there is some disagreeing opinions, and I think that the problem appeared on the basis of conforming to the people’s opinions.Problems appear in making a good neighborhood.( ) I think about what relationship it is between owners’ committee and management team after owners’ committee is founded.I think it is the relationship of leading and being led.But this leading, in my opinion, is public administration, is leading through public administration.It is not hierarchical leadership or such.The specific control of the management should be carried out by the management section.We cannot participate directly in the management.If there is any problem, it can be brought to owners’ committee to discuss.Well, my ideal is that take off the hands with boldness, letting you do it.If there is any problem coming up during it, we can still draw lessons and experience from it, can’t we? Because nobody has done this before, have they? In our job, there may be this and that problems.It does not matter, as long as it is based on doing a better job.Leaders, the leadership of this owners’ committee is public administration, that is ( ).From my own perspective, as I said before, as for this director, for the management section, I said I am the leader, actually is commander.The owners’ committee make decisions.If a single committee member comes here to ask you do this and do that, he is a leader, not ( ).You are a committee member, you do not represent the owners’committee.As for me, I also do not represent the owners’committee.( ) this is my own opinion, because I might be wrong.The second point, I think, is that, as a neighborhood, the key problem for the owners’ committee is financial problem.Previous finance was not open to the public, and cannot be publicized in time, so bills and financial supervision should be carried out.Bills should be publicized in time.How much is the income, and how much is the expense.Make everybody be clear about the situation…(the mediator asks both directors of the owners’committee, and the head of the management team to tell their points of view.Each speaks a long time about their view of the management of the neighborhood, about the conflict and problems among the three.) …
L: What what kind of seal is that?
D3: It is the administrative seal of owners’ committee.This seal was not used previously, then it was used.It was used,more than ten days, the seal was there.On the twentieth day, we did not hear anything (from him).Old Zhang said that (it) is at home, and that’s why (he) did not tell me.When the seal was passed to me, it is, “come, here it is.”When I received this seal, I was afraid of problems occurring, cos since I was assigned to take care of this thing, I should ( ) I decided to give it up.I gave it up until Old Zhang came back, then he asked to use the seal because of Old Zhang.Until now, I am still not clear what they used the seal for.I know your name was used, I don’t know about other things the seal was used for.
D2: What was it used for.
D3: What else was it used for, I don’t know.So for…
D2: You can check what was it used for.
D3: It is not the time to talk about this issue now.What else was it used for?
D2: I used it for a lot of other things.If such an unreliable man… Such a person like me, do you know? When you became a party member, what was I? I was the director of the party branch section.At that time when you became party member, I had already been one for dozens of years.Such a person like me who has been forty or fifty’s years’party member does not even deserve this bit of trustworthiness? You tell me how we can get along in the future? You think about it, and tell me about this issue.Funny, it is too funny.When I was a consultant in the army,I was in charge of all the seals.
M: At that time I ( ) Because of this form, gradually,all have become this form.You are just forward, therefore,“must have seal, must have seal,”therefore, “the seal was made,”and it was said that it was made but nothing was said about when to get it and how.Nothing was said.Later became anxious.You don’t have to say.you have used the seal.Then, I told teacher Liu that the 16th section used the seal then.
D2: (If) I told you, wouldn’t you have told others then?
D3: In the end, you did not tell me.
D2: If I told you, wouldn’t you… At that time, you see… “How dare you!”(I) told you, and you shouted out so fiercely like this at the owners’ committee.Then, then how could I not keep it to myself? You you ( ) Of course I would not tell you but tell Old Zhang before take it to use.Fortunately, Old Zhang came back, therefore, everybody was fine for Old Zhang was there.If, if Old Zhang was not there, I would not know what to do.
M: Here, I think there is misunderstanding.That is when this issue is brought up, I did not know some seal was involved.Later, it was intensified.I should say, this seal of the owners’ committee, if our community does not authorize(power) to this seal, how much function will this seal have?It would not have much function.However, as for inner personnel, what happened, of course, I have no clear clue,but talking about this seal being used, later, he said that he took it to hand it over to him, right? Oh, I did not know that this seal had been used.I asked.Say to use this seal,say to do it.As soon as I thought of this thing I asked.“I used it and handed it over to him.”Oh, I said, “you used it.Director Zhang has come back?”I remember.
D2: Director Zhang came back, he knew after he came back.
D1: Have not (come back).
D2: In the beginning when I handed it over to you, I gave it to old Liang and old Liang gave it to you.
M: Director Zhang has not come back at that time?
D2: Ah, ah.When it was handed over, (he) has not come back yet.You were asking and pushing.
M: Oh, I said “done done, the seal has not even been made.”I said, “the seal? (I) don’t know who has it.”This seal should be put at the Community, so this was what I thought at that time, later, when teacher Duan came, the conflict arose among you.Then teacher Duan said it was not good.I told teacher Duan that let it be, and I know what the seal was used for.This was the one that you saw just now,which was turned in.I know it.Teacher Duan said, “it is no good.”I explained to teacher Duan about this seal then that it was only used this time as far as I know.The seal has not much use for other things.It has not much use outside.
D2: I did not make a seal of the provincial government to do something.
D3: ( )
M: Don’t be emotional, don’t be emotional!
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M: I think this misunderstanding had thus started.At that time, I felt this misunderstanding, so I kept saying that it was no big deal.That’s why I tried hard to stop teacher Duan from making a new seal.“You must not make a new one.If you make one, the conflict will be more.”At that time, while I was still explaining this conflict to her,teacher Duan started stepping out in a hurry, insisting on making a new one.I asked our director Zhang, “What happened? How did their conflict come?”No serious conflict.It is just why (she) had to make another seal.Of course she should not.This seal should not be made, but I don’t know the result.Whether she had one made or not, I don’t know.It is that, teacher Zhang, we planned to hold an activity on June 30th.We planned to have such form,but it was raining that day.( ) because that was activity,anyone can participate.In the end, director Zhang came.Anybody, anybody can participate, but the presupposition is that the director, the director, you don’t have, the director you don’t come, it won’t work that way.I cannot.Yeah, it is if he comes and you still don’t come.They come for the activity.All are fine and all are right.I was singing there, and you taught us to sing.We sing together, doing activity.Later, while we were busy around, we talked a bit.We said that since this conflict was not solved, we thought about this problem then.It is that if their conflict was not solved, this seal cannot be handed over, cos the center of the conflict is this seal.It is hard to say, the problem may become more complicated.It is no good.If this seal, I told teacher Duan, if there is conflict, then don’t need to hand over the seal.Later, teacher Zhang came in and said, “if this conflict is not solved, I won’t accept the seal.”As the director, if he said he did not want to accept the seal, (we)would face this situation – of course it cannot be.The whole ceremony was canceled.I also told the Railroad Institute, “You don’t need to hold it.”( ) entered the same time as you Railroad Bureau did.Neither held it anymore.Not holding it, then I remember, sister Yuan,aunt Yuan was very anxious, and there, “wow.”She feels that they have a lot of conflict.Later, she sister Yang…In fact, you, to be honest, all are very concerned (with this conflict), and serious about your work.I, all in all, feel that this problem probably is that your methods do not match.
D3: I have finished talking about this house.
M: Yes, yes.
D3: Then this seal thing, I feel that there is some problem in it, so I asked him to go to the bureau.This is not about the problem of trust or not, cos since the problem has occurred, my own job is ( ), therefore, I proposed to have a new seal made.I went to old Zhang.Old Zhang said that it is not necessary, and I said it must (be done).
M: Therefore, the opinions are not converged.
D3: He, director Liang said that you must not make (a new one).I, I came to see you, and you said
M: I don’t want you to make (a new one).I try my best to propose that
D3: Now, this issue, I think, should be dealt with in this way.No seals should count.You have a new seal made.It is right that we should not make this decision in the first place, but you should make the decision.Then, this seal thing, how about this, how we deal with these issues is that whatever seal you issue to us is what we would have.Any seals do not count.This is my personal opinion.These are the problems that old Wu has pointed out.These are some of my view and some ( ).Another problem is what old Wu has said, “then if (you) want me to take up this job,you have to follow me.”We held a meeting the other day.We, including old Wu, had a meeting.In this meeting.In this meeting, we have a, a common concept together,called decision or opinion, that is to accept so called task.How does Political Transportation Committee teach us ( )Then after the meeting, Old Wu blame me for saying, in the meeting, “old Wu, you should switch your mentality.Switch your mentality.Previously, you were managing private enterprise, so only you made decision, then why do you start taking up this job and still make decision alone.”Therefore, we basically do not manage.Now, in fact, we still do not manage, except for big things.Usually, they don’t care, and it is up to you to manage the things.
Then, since we have formed owners’ committee, previously we say that they have economical problems, not transparent or open, then what do we have the bylaws for?I think, old Wu, you should switch your view, it cannot be your say counts alone.You should follow the bylaws of owners’ committee.If you have opposition to the bylaws of owners’ committee, you can make proposition, but you must do things according to the bylaws of owners’committee.Cannot do as you will.That is no good.In the end, the committee members think after the meeting,that “if you want me to take over the job, you have to follow my will,”and “I do not have the bylaws.”He said in the meeting, “even if there is no bylaws, I can still work,otherwise, you just don’t make me work.If you want me to work, just follow my will.”I think like this.What else do you say we have conflict on? No big deal.It is because we made these bylaws, conflict appeared.The key is that whether we should have these bylaws, not the problem of being right or wrong.
N: Where is the second seal?
D3: The second seal, I have.
M: (The title on)this one is not complete, isn’t it? It is still not right.It probably will bring problem in the work.Heh heh, probably will involve.
D3: I think that seal has no serious problem.
D1: My understanding is that if you want to make.
D3: ( )
D1: Now
D3: I asked for permission from you.(https://www.daowen.com)
D1: Did I ask you to make (the new seal)?
D3: You did not object either.
D1: I did not object? Do you have any proof?
D3: You did not object, didn’t you?
D1: What proof do you have?
D3: But did say later… When I told you At that time, you…
L: This seal, no matter whether (you) are qualified to be a legal person, has to be in the community.
D3: I said you have the seal made again, when you made it again, a slight change will do.It cannot be exactly like the original one.If it is like the original one, we cannot handle the problem if there is some problem with the original one.
(D2 is on the cell phone)
M: How about having distinction of time periods?
D3: I have problem with time periods, but if I ( ), I could, at any time.
L: Teacher Duan? I feel, from a broader perspective, I won’t say much about this.The one in the bureau has no power,then (you)are afraid that there maybe some problem using the same one.This kind of thinking I can understand.The attitude of being responsible for the people, but as I told you before, not being the legal entity, you cannot do anything.There is no meaning.(Since you) cannot solve substantial problems, you shouldn’t think about this.
D1: This year, it will probably occur that contracts signed previously will be ineffective.It should be like this.
D3: Talking about time period, just like what they said, there is the distinction in time periods.The original thing is ineffective, it can be remedied.It can be remedied.
D1: I think, I feel, the original is ineffective either.Why isn’t it ineffective?
D3: This issue is effective not just because I said so.Having not been used, the sealed thing is ineffective.
D1: Not been used, not been used.This thing being used now has indeed been used, hasn’t it?
D3: No, who said that!
(noise)
L: Listen to me, teacher Duan, it is not necessary for you at all to pursue this issue of being used or not, effective or ineffective.It is not meaningful being used or not!
(noise)
M: We will take this seal to the Street Office.You said it is ineffective, and it is really not right, therefore, we cannot say whether it is effective or ineffective.
D1: Ineffective, how can (you)say it is ineffective? You cannot say such things about this problem.
M: Oh, you cannot say it is ineffective.
L: (You) look at this problem beyond its practical meaning,than it has, it is not balanced.This this misunderstanding,this.
D3: They used this seal, and (it is) admitted.We are not saying that (we do) not admit it.It is that (need to be stamped with) another seal together.This is (my)meaning.
D2: It is impossible for me to use other seals.I have told you,I would assure you using my forty years’ being a party member.
M: Which seal are you talking about? What did he use it for?
(noise)
D2: She said I stamped on blank paper and used it for bad purposes.Since we are following such reasoning, can we still work together?
(D2 stood up and left)
M: Hey, sit, sit.Still speaking here, why are you leaving?
D2: No common thinking/ground.
D3: No common thinking is no common thinking.(Whatever)
(noise)
D3: I have talked about these problems, so what else should I do to solve it? Just as what he said, admitted the fault.Once other people pointed out, ”Bon, I used the seal, what can you do to me? You chop my hand?”This is the same reasoning.I have already said, “You go ahead handle it,you go ahead.”What else should I do?
M: No.You, just now, should not have said that you do not know what he used the seal for.You were hurting people.You really should not have said things like that.If you have to believe that he did it before, you can only say that if other people can present things… Do you have evidence?How could you say things like that?
(noise)
L: Let me say one more sentence, ok? Teacher Duan, if he was saying something unreal.Suppose he used it for other purposes, The owners’ committee is not qualified for being a legal person.This seal is not the proof for legal person.
D3: I agree with your view.
L: Except for legal person, there is no substantial meaning.It is not effective if it is without meaning.
D3: With this way, if we rent apartments to people, should we sign the contract? Of course we need to sign the contract.
L:
M: I tell you except for using for this one, he has said that he did not use it elsewhere.Actually, you should not have continued your inquisition, not until you discover anything.Now, you have not, so you cannot say anything.“How can I believe you?”This is lack of fundamental trust.There has to be trust among people.(You) cannot doubt.